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Monitor vs Warrior by RadoJavor Monitor vs Warrior by RadoJavor
I like to think about history and alternative history also. This is a vision of different historical line. British empire is intervening in American civil war on the side of Confederation. The first ironclads in the world fight against each other. The biggest ships in the world at time British HMS Warrior and Black Prince against smaller heavy armored American Monitors. I've read many articles about this fictional battle, still its not clear which ship can win.
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ssg114 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014
     Warrior had 41/2" solid iron armor, but only over the "gun box" which was open at either end and didn't protect the rudder or propulsion gear. She was armed with a battery of 68 pounder's (weight of the projectile which could defeat 4" armor and an experimental 110 pound gun. 
     Monitor had 8" plates hammered from thinner 1" sheets (not as strong as solid plate) and two 11" bore 166 pounders with a painfully slow rate of fire of one round (aimed) every seven minutes.
     Warrior advantage, rate of fire, superior armor quality. Disadvantage, minimal armor coverage, unprotected maneuver gear.
     Monitor advantage better overall armor coverage, weapons that could fire at any direction and due to smaller size and shallower draft, superior maneuverability. Disadvantage, slow rate of fire, lesser quality of armor.
     Bottom line: contest decided by seamanship and quality of crews. Warrior could pound down Monitors armor given enough time, but with some good gunnery Monitor could cripple Warriors maneuverability and shoot holes in her with her bigger guns. US Navy crews at this point were VERY competent. More that the Royal Navy would have credited. But, Monitor had poor handling in all but the calmest weather. On the high seas I give it to Warrior, in a bay harbor or inlet I say Monitor. Now..... if were around 1866 with DOUBLE turreted SEAGOING "monitors"......whole different story.
Data from Peter Padfields "Battleship"
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ebarr Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2014
Warrior to Dreadnought by Brown is worth a look on the topic. He mentions in a footnote that on paper Warrior's guns could defeat the vertical armour of Monitor's hull at close range, while Monitor's guns could not penetrate Warrior's armour at any range. He mentions that while the American guns were large calibre, their muzzle velocity wasn't high as the idea was they would basically beat in the armour rather than penetrate it. It didn't really work and the Americans abandoned the concept fairly quickly. The unprotected steering gear on Warrior is definitely a weak point (corrected in her successors) but also a very small target for 1860s gunnery.
The biggest problem however in any clash would be that Monitor is a shallow draft vessel designed for inshore work while Warrior is an ocean going ship. So to have a 'fair' fight, the two would have to encounter in deep water in a flat calm.

But as I say Warrior to Dreadnought - well worth a look if interested in 19th century warship developments.
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TygerStryke Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014
this definitely would be a hard-fought stalemate, as the CSNS VIRGINIA was constructed in a basically similar fashion to the hull of the WARRIOR, except having made use of remnant railroad iron.

A tough go indeed.

On the other hand, the Monitor would be running circles about these two behemoths, and therefore, would start trying to take out the WARRIOR's and BLACK PRINCE's guns... THAT move would largely swing the battle for the Monitor.
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TheBigNigNog Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  New member
meowjar  Please kill yourself...
Just please.
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meowjar Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
Not Happening XP
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kimgauge Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
wow - reminds me of Turner!
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AlyssaFaden Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2014  Professional Artist
Can we see this one available as a print?
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meowjar Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014  Professional Interface Designer
Wow this whole war reminds me of my war, when the Confederacy was winning control of the Union from 1863, to 1872, until France and England intervened, on the side of the Union. The British Empire helped repel the Sough in Michigan, the Union's last state in Continental America, while the French Empire invaded and liberated New York City. The war instead of ending in 1865, in my alternate version ended in the year 1883, all because of the Confederacy's victory at Gettysburg.

Also in the Alternate war, the Americans were getting far ahead in war technology, and have also established Bolt Action rifles, Railway Cannons, Steam powered wagons which required no horses, hand cranked Machine Guns, mines, Submarines, and even a man made helicopter that was cranked by feet, and could be held by 2 people, one to fire at the enemy down below while another steered the vehicle. It was made first in 1871, by the Union, in a strong attempt to recon the Midwest at the time.
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zhizhen24 Featured By Owner May 4, 2014
awesome !!!!excellent work .. !!
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1Wyrmshadow1 Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014
In an engagement like this... ramming the Monitor would be the best bet. 
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